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  • Using Two MECHAs Wireless Connected

    Starting with B_E_01397, there is possible to use two MECHAs connected one to other via wireless,

    They don't need to be on the same gear, e.g. one can be on tripod, another under turntable,
    nor in the same country as the connection can be via Internet.

    When you need some guidance in how to use two MECHA connected, please ask here for both accessories needed for mounting on, say NN3 or NN6, so on.

    The use will become much simpler in future FW updates (via presets and stuff),
    Here is only an example how a multi-row panorama using Canon 350D + 18-55 lens @18 mm can be done with
    two MECHAs mounted on NN3 MK 3 - FW used : B_E_01400 - the latest ATM
    the shooting pattern used was 3 x 10 + N + Z



    The shutter cable I have handy wasn't long enough to allow the nadir shoot, so I didn't use any cable at all.

    L.E. Now it can be plugged in any MECHA.

    Dorin
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    3. Mecha team up.

    4. ..

  • #2
    Good job. A major step to much more complex applications. The shutter should be triggered by any controller near the camera.
    This is just a demo of linking multiple controllers. We will have dedicated dual axis and 4 axis controllers. Think of many of them linked together for >3 axis operation without a long cable linking the rotators.
    Last edited by nick fan; September 27th, 2019, 01:36 AM.
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    • #3
      In the next FW update, both controllers will trigger the camera, so user will be able to plug the cable in which one is more convenient.

      IMO, even with the upcoming dedicated dual axis controllers I highly recommend adding the second MECHA to gear suite now as the possibilities could be extended beyond the single row application in a second.
      Even with the kit lens on any modern camera one can go beyond gigapixel with the "demo" above.

      The price is good (is on sale on NN store) and the second MECHA will always can control a turntable, if user want to upgrade to multiple axis controller in the future.

      So having a second MECHA now will offer some flexibility with simple and high res. panoramas during the full autumn, rich in colors and on the holiday seasons, known to be full of photographic opportunities, not to be missed.

      Even in the studio, combining turntable rotation for photo and video with MECHA 1 with a spot light subtle rotated with MECHA 2 can produce awesome effects especially on shiny objects but not only, (maybe I need to produce another video to show that..)

      Is my 2c, but sure, needs 2c x 115 00 from users pocket, however, I think is a good investment and is like a payment plan when you can extend the gear by adding modular pieces, with smaller payments, but big extension in possibilities.

      Anyone can judge, of course, I only uncovering some possibilities and some are yet to arise.

      A family photo of MECHAs will be looking like :)

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      BigEye MECHA, Roundy MECHA, and LongEyes MECHA
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      at least, but families grows :)

      I promise I'll add some real photo at some point

      Dorin
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      2. Mecha it easy.
      3. Mecha team up.

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      • #4
        As of B_E_01401, just published, the trigger cable can be plugged in any MECHA.

        Dorin
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        • #5
          Some new video with more MECHAs used

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          • #6
            Any update to when a mecha will be available for the nn6?

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            • #7
              We will start beta release in Nov.
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              • #8
                This is my request for the accessories needed for mounting 2 MECHAs on NN3 MkII and Mk III
                Last edited by brianlr; 2 weeks ago.

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                • #9
                  Hi, I'm sure will be some info about the accessories needed very soon.

                  I'll suggest some complete bundle including 1 or 2 MECHAs, suited for customers having or not a MECHA already.

                  Dorin
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                  3. Mecha team up.

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                  • #10
                    From my very last minute info, it seems that next week will be some accessories available.

                    Dorin
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                    • #11
                      Some update:

                      There are some improvements in pairing or team assembly of couple of MECHAs from C1E_01411 on,
                      but the dual axis control is limited ATM to what is presented in first video.
                      So the method featured in first video will work, for both manual indicated IP or automatic detected by team assembly.
                      The list of angles for second MECHA still needs to be entered manually, but can be saved as preset and load.

                      A pairing procedure can be then:
                      1) start team on Main MECHA (with the horizontal movement) by entering 1212< code or click/tap on [Team] button in its Row page
                      2) confirm participation to team on second MECHA (with vertical movement) by entering 12< code
                      3) stop team building by pressing power button or click/tap again on [Team] button in Row page
                      4) load preset.

                      This will result in having the previous saved preset with list of angles for second MECHA and the second MECHA will have the current IP address.

                      I doesn't work as described above, or you need more info, please let me know here.

                      Soon the multi axis support will be enhanced, more easier and intuitive.

                      Dorin
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                      3. Mecha team up.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DorinDXN View Post
                        Here is only an example how a multi-row panorama using Canon 350D + 18-55 lens @18 mm can be done with
                        two MECHAs mounted on NN3 MK 3 - FW used : B_E_01400 - the latest ATM
                        the shooting pattern used was 3 x 10 + N + Z



                        Shutter cable can be plugged in any MECHA.

                        Dorin
                        Just want to explain a bit the list of angle movements used in that video.
                        You can see repeat
                        2x6
                        and the list of angle movement is
                        -45,90,45,-180,90
                        How it works:
                        1) Camera starts in horizontal position, no tilt at all and does 10 shots around
                        2x6 repeat means the sequence is repeated 2 times at 6 seconds apart
                        after each session the second MECHA does a vertical movement by a value described in that list
                        2) does -45° movement, which means tilting the camera up at 45°
                        3) does the 10 shots around (automatically because of repeat)
                        4) does 90° movement which means tilting the camera down 90° (and so it ends at 45° down)
                        5) does the 10 shots around (automatically because of repeat)
                        6) does 45° movement which will result in having camera pointed downward like for nadir shoot, as is no repeat to do left, MECHA waits for click on [SHOOT] to perform the nadir shoot
                        7) does -180° movement which will result in having camera pointed upward like for zenith shoot and waits again for [SHOOT] to perform the zenith shoot.
                        8) does the 90° movement which will result in having camera back in original positionn it started from.

                        Of course if you want different way of shooting, you can changes values, e.g.

                        45,-90,-45,180,-90 will exchange the order of +-45° rows,

                        the positive values means rotating the camera toward down and the negative values rotating the camera toward up

                        You can also have the first row with the camera tilted 45° down, so the list of angle movements in that case will be

                        -45,-45,-45,180,-45

                        to end up in the same position, if the sum of all values gives 0 the camera ends up in the same position.

                        if, for some reasons, you want 0° vertical movement you can add 0 where you want,
                        say, you want the horizontal row to be done twice, because of some moving features you have in scene you want to made invisible in PP
                        then you can have 3*6 for repeat (1 extra for that repeated row )
                        and the list will be
                        0,-45,90,45,-180,90

                        or you want two or more shots for zenith, to have a "cross" to allow more control points from buildings rather than from the featureless sky

                        then you have again 2*6 for repeat
                        and the list will be
                        -45,90,45,-180,0,90
                        or even
                        -45,90,45,-180,0,0,90
                        if you want 3 zenith shoots,
                        in both these last cases you have to rotate the camera left-right with slider to those particular left-right directions according with scene before clicking on [SHOOT] when camera is in the zenith orientation.

                        Again these were added to allow immediate use of two MECHAs connected for multi-row high resolution panoramas, is powerful enough and flexible enough to accommodate any cases, it allows also changing the LENS for nadir, zenith, and most upper and down rows or shots, say you can use rectilinear for middle rows and fish eye or wider angle lens for other rows and N+Z, that is one of the reasons it waits for [SHOOT] for positions not covered by the repeat values.

                        A summary of these notes will be added in "info" fields in UI in next FW updates

                        In future FW, the multi axis support will be more intuitive, of course.


                        Dorin
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                        2. Mecha it easy.
                        3. Mecha team up.

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                        • #13
                          Starting with C1E_01415

                          there are these possibilities added:

                          1) full automatic complete multi-row panorama.

                          2) automatic asymmetric rows, e.g. middle row of 12 shoots, +-45° rows from 10 shots, so on.

                          and will be enhanced further :)

                          BTW, using repeat parameters as option is an intermediate step in order to to allow multi-row panoramas using two MECHAs right now,
                          the settings will be much simplified, in UI, still this way will continue to work for compatibility purposes, actually this is very close to how MECHA thinks and computes the movements.
                          However if you find this way yet too complicated, use only the example given, like in the video, or ask for more examples.

                          I'll add some more info and examples here soon, to be more clear for the users who want to use these features ASAP.


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                          C1E_01414..15
                          Added support for optional modifier for number of shots in the list of angles
                          e.g. 10:-45 will mean 10 shots around for that repeat instead of the value set for shots around at start of the sequence.
                          The modifier has effect until another modifier is found.
                          e.g. -45,3:45,45,1:45,-180,90
                          means first repeat unmodified, the 2nd and 3rd repeat will be 3 shoots around and the last two will be 1 shoot only.

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                          • #14
                            Just want to add that in the next FW will be no need for specify the pauses at repeat, e.g. 2x6 or 4x6 as the timing will be automatically computed and also the
                            button presets will work in case of two MECHA connected i.e. will be possible to assign/save a button preset which, at pressing, will trigger the panorama shooting using two MECHA without need to use the UI.

                            Dorin
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                            2. Mecha it easy.
                            3. Mecha team up.

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                            • #15
                              With just published C1E_01416, you can use 4*1 or 2*1 for repeat,
                              the 1 second is now only an extra delay, as the Main MECHA computes the time needed to wait after second MECHA.


                              Dorin

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                              C1E_01416
                              The saved presets can be used for actual buttons of MECHA also for situations when two MECHA are wireless connected, proceeding with these steps:
                              1) Power up both MECHA
                              2) Start team build on horizontal MECHA entering 1212< code.
                              3) confirm team participation on vertical MECHA entering 12< code.
                              4) short press on power button of horizontal MECHA to stop the team build.
                              the steps 1..4 needs to be done only once after power up.
                              5) enter 1< or 1> to execute button 1 preset, the same 2<, 2>, 3<, 3>, for button 2 and 3 presets.

                              For dual mode, with two MECHA wireless connected, the delay indicated like 4*2, will mean 2 seconds extra delay, as now the Main MECHA computes the time needed for the second MECHA to perform the rotations.
                              If no extra delay after each vertical rotation is needed, 4*0 can be entered, though 4*1 might be better to allow the vibration to fade out.
                              The RPM speed for second MECHA is the same as for the Main MECHA, as well as the micro steps and profiles, here will be fine tuning possible in the future.


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